Mom's visa rejected.

[sanac]

Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to post my experience. My mom had an interview in chennai (English) on sept 21 and her visa was rejected. And what pissed us off was they asked her only one question how many children do u have and she answered truthfully ......Only one daughter and she is in US. That's it, the officer didn't even look at her documents nor did he let her explain her situation, that's it visa was rejected.

Let me explain ur situation here. My husband sponsored my mom (he is on H1B). My mom is a government employee & she is earning good. She is a widow. She had taken with her all the documents, her employment letter , salary statement, NOC which showed that she had been granted 3 mths leave and that she wld be joining office on so & so date very clearly. She had also taken a Affidavit preprared by our chartered account.........showing her house value and rest of all the assets which she owns in india. And plus she is also getting dad's pension, so financially too she was in a good position. The problem her was the consulate didn't even give her a chance to explain herself nor show the doucments to them . Just one question and based on that they said no . And my mom also told me the officer was kind of rude.

So guys now tell me what do we do in this situation.............is there somewhere we can complain to the embassy, it was ridiculous. Its true i can apply again , but what guarantee this won't happen the next time too.

Can some one please give us some advice or suggestion. We really don't know what else can we do, for the next interview. Since we had carried all the documnets from both of our side this time.........and they didn't even bother to look at it or hear what my mom had to say.

Thank u guys in advance.

[kloodin]

sorry, but I don't believe your mother was asked one and only one question. That is not possible. No doubt there were other questions that were conveniently forgotten by her and she is making up this version to cast aspersions on the consular folks.

[sanac]

Are u accusing us that we are lying Kloodin ? We why wld we do that ? The first question asked to her was How many children do u have ? And she answered the truth. This is what happened. U bleive it or not its up to u. I just wanted to post what happened to us and let others know.

[balasubbiah]

Sanac,

Even my mom's VISA got rejected twice and planning to appear again. For Single Mom's the only answer is to keep trying.

Mr.Kloodin,

There are times that VO just ask you one or two question and turn down the application. It has happened a lot, you can browse this forum to see such cases.

[kloodin]

sorry, but you are not telling the truth....no VO asks one and only one question to a first time applicant and then refuses the visa request,,,,it does not happen, ever. So no doubt there is more to the story you are not sharing, and that is your choice. However, your rantings and ravings about the process and your version of events you were not even present for, are merely trying to somehow shift blame to the consular folks rather than the fact that your mother was unable to overcome the presumption of immigrant intent (as is required by our laws)....I worked for two summers in an embassy like an intern, side by side with consular officers. No applicant, no matter how unqualified they might have been, was asked one and only one question before being denied. So no matter how much you try to blame the process, the end result is not the fault of any consular official.

[sanac]

sorry, but you are not telling the truth....no VO asks one and only one question to a first time applicant and then refuses the visa request,,,,it does not happen, ever. So no doubt there is more to the story you are not sharing, and that is your choice. However, your rantings and ravings about the process and your version of events you were not even present for, are merely trying to somehow shift blame to the consular folks rather than the fact that your mother was unable to overcome the presumption of immigrant intent (as is required by our laws)....I worked for two summers in an embassy like an intern, side by side with consular officers. No applicant, no matter how unqualified they might have been, was asked one and only one question before being denied. So no matter how much you try to blame the process, the end result is not the fault of any consular official.

Kloodin,

Don't cast aspersions on anyone else's character. If you have nothing useful to add, please shut your trap and let others give advice that's positive. I have nothing to gain by lying. Don't give me lies about having worked as an intern. Did you work at the Chennai, Delhi or Bombay consulate? You probably haven't. I have seen several people spend less a minute at the visa lines. You probably haven't even stepped inside a consulate. Anyone who has been to these consulates knows how rude and indifferent most of these officers are.

By the way, don't try to second guess a person's intention, especially when you know NOTHING about them!

[kloodin]

Kloodin,

Don't cast aspersions on anyone else's character. If you have nothing useful to add, please shut your trap and let others give advice that's positive. I have nothing to gain by lying. Don't give me lies about having worked as an intern. Did you work at the Chennai, Delhi or Bombay consulate? You probably haven't. I have seen several people spend less a minute at the visa lines. You probably haven't even stepped inside a consulate. Anyone who has been to these consulates knows how rude and indifferent most of these officers are.

By the way, don't try to second guess a person's intention, especially when you know NOTHING about them!
Sorry, you know absolutely nothing about the process....I defy you to prove that only one question was asked....does your mother have a video tape of the interview?
You don't control my commentary, I will post whatever I feel like, and my experience behind the window is far greater than yours by a factor of many thousands.
You just don't like facing the truth - a common trait shared by those who have a lack of understanding of certain principles.
The consuls are not required to spend a certain amount of time with each applicant, and they can make a decision in just a few seconds given the right circumstances. But no consul asks a first time applicant one question and then denies the visa.....it doesn't happen, it didn't happen and just because you don't want to acknowledge that fact doesn't make it untrue.
And all of your rantings and ravings and swagger won't turn a denial into an approval....no matter how important you think you are.
Consular officers, and only consular officers are empowered to adjudicate visas ..without influence from people like you that know nothing about our rules and laws. They don't have to check with you before making a decision.
In fact, you must already be aware of that fact since your phone is not constantly ringing with inquiries from the consular staff....guess they haven't acknowledged your alleged 'expertise.'
In closing, I am not 'closing my trap' because you think I should....last time I checked you were not ruling the planet Earth and do not have any authority to regulate what is written or expressed by another individual.
You have a nice day now.....

[ski_dude12]

Kloodin,

She was asking for help/advice so that her mom can get the visa, not a lecture on the do's or dont's or the veracity of her post.

This is a forum to help each other out with our experiences both good and bad so that each one of us end up getting as much information as we can.

Peace!

[robin]

comon gys , why do u want it to be this wy? things can happen either way ..i was asked 4-5 questions and was denied a visa ad my dad had a pretty lengthy session to end up with a 10 yr visa for him. we both were done by the same officer , the same day..and it is easy to cast the doubt on getin a visa based on the number of queries asked! but not really when there was 6-7 other members of our group in between few of whom too had lengthy and short sessions to end up without a visa ! so i guess there is nothing much to do withthe number of queries put up to the apllicant..depends upon what the VO felt abut hte applicant from what he answered..let it be from ques no. 1 or no. 10 !
i guess no one shoudl take anything pesonal in here..this is a group forum..many stands to gain from this..so pls nothin offensive and nothin personal pls ! or u stand a chance to be banned from the site by the moderators..pls..i too does value every peice of information shared in here..it could be from u too..!
good luck gys n gls !

[luxsam]

Hi Sanac,
Don't worry,pls go through my story.I was in a similar situation as yours.My mom got her visa in her second attempt.She was here for four and half months last year and returned to home country well before the i-94 validity expired.Try to get her second interview and prepare well,She will get her visa.I will pray for her.


http://forum.path2usa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7893

[wanttovisit]

seriously i get this feeling that kloodin is "feedback" from another website murthyforum. com . there also he used to talk same.

especially tht he has exp in consulate and that we shd not play with their laws.

kloodin....i like wht you are promoting....."say truth"

are you feedback or joef ?

[jaya06]

Sanac, it is true that the visa officer doesn’t look at all the documents. He only spends 2-5 minutes per applicant and asks to see 1-2 documents while asking 1-5 questions and base his judgment on that. I wish that the visa officers spend more time with each applicant to go through their details and paper work and then approve/deny accordingly. Ask your mom to try again and take all the documents as she had taken for the first appt. Good luck next time :-)


Kloodin,
This is a discussion board for those seeking help and for those trying to help others. No way you can conclude that sanac's mom was asked more than one question. There is no way she can provide a video tape as you suggested and there is NO NEED for her to prove it to you. It is really none of your business if you don't have any 'value' to add to the thread. Could you prove by showing a video tape that no visa officer asks only one question. I agree with you that most of them ask 4-5 questions, but no body in the world can prove it. There are thousands of visa interviews going on in every country in several consulates and who knows how many questions are being asked by each officer to each applicant.

The visa officers get "most" of the info from the application form (like who is sponsoring, when is she planning to arrive at USA, for how long she wants to stay, at which address she is going to stay etc). The only questions the visa officer will ask are those that are not mentioned in the form (ex: how many kids do you have, have you traveled any other countries before, how much of property do you have in home country etc). In sanac's mom's case I am not saying that the visa officer denied the visa just based on the answer for one question, but he would have got 90% of the info from the application form, just one question that he asked would have made him feel that the applicant is a potential immigrant. USA is not the only country for which people apply for visas. I know of a US citizen who was denied a tourist visa to India for 3 times in a row.

By the way, there is no way for any visa officer to know for sure of the intentions of any applicant. If the visa officers are so smart, then how are the 'bad' guys entering USA and why are some 'genuine' applicants who don't want to settle in USA are being categorized as potential immigrants. Those who have been living in the same household for several years can not fully understand each other at times. How do you think the visa officers judge 'perfectly' by spending only 2-5 minutes with the applicant? They just try to make a 'good judgment' and it is not ultimately perfect. If all the USA visa officers are making perfect judgments, how are the bad guys entering into USA. If all the Indian visa officers are making perfect judgments, how are bad guys entering India and doing all the mishaps there. Visa officers are not GODs. They are doing their job and try to do it as best as they can, but their decisions are not 100% perfect.

When a denial happens, the applicant and her family get upset and it is perfectly normal. When you don’t believe that sanac is not providing all the details, there is no reason for her to believe that you had really worked in consulates before. If you had really worked in consulates before and if you think you can provide useful info to everyone, please feel free to provide. We all are here to share our experiences – good or bad – and to try to help others in need. Your experience may be a useful asset for members in this board – if you put it in the proper way.

[rcmax]

Kloodin,
you are a moron and a fake. From DS-156 the visa officer knew that sanac's mother is a widow. All he wanted to know was whether she has mor children just to explore possible ties. So just one question was enough and when the answer was "only one child" , there was no need for the visa officer to ask any more questions. Had sanac's mother said more than one children then some more questions would have been asked. This happened in my mother's case too as she is a widow. Visa officer asked her how many sons and she said 3. Next question was , is the sponsoring son oldest or younger one. She said "Oldest", thats it the visa was rejected.

So Kloodin don't act like Mr.Knowall, you stink of ignorance.

[kloodin]

rcmax: so enlighten all of us with your vast knowledge and experience of the visa process.....tell us how many interviews you have conducted or observed...from behind the windows.....I think we all know the answer is 'zero.'
The OP's mother was not asked only one question in spite of the DS156...there are no questions on that form that ask about one's salary or pension, what property the applicant may own or rent out, what other relatives might be living in their country of residence, what kind of visa the sponsoring relative from the US had when he or she entered the US, etc...etc...that is why no first time applicant would be asked one and only one question, then have their visa application denied.....but of course rcmax knows so much more than anyone else about the entire procedure...no doubt you must be highly sought after by our embassies overseas to be the Master Visa Consultant.....or do you just wash dishes?

[bcapra]

Kloodin,

please if you could read my topic too "mother rejected 6 times, please help".
Sanac I am soo sorry for your mom, I know how it feels. Many times we felt like the consular officer did not consider all our information. Many times they do not make the best judgements. Good luck to your mother next time.

[Deepakshi]

Kloodin,
I think you will not believe that my mom got visa for 10 years and consulate asked one and only one question to my mom.
the question is
"when will you come back in india"
so putting such a dirty comments in this forum is not good idea..if you are not able to provide meaning information then please dont post your comments
ok..Mr Kloodin

sanac: so here you are doing exactly what you attempted to tell me....casting aspersions on me, someone you know nothing about....we call that 'hypocrisy'.....
And again, no visa officer is going to ask one and only one question of a first time applicant and then deny the visa request.....:rolleyes:

[ski_dude]

Mr. Kloodin desperately needs a boot/ban!. I doubt he has anything useful to contribute to this forum.

Mods if you are listening please do the needful.

[kloodin]

1- I suggested/stated that no first time applicant would be asked one question and then denied; however, it is easy to imagine (and I have seen it numerous times) where an applicant might be asked one question and then approved....that is different. A person renewing a visa, for example, might be asked 1 question. A person who just gave up their green card might easily be asked one question and granted a visa. But there is a world of difference between asking 1 question and approving a visa versus denying one in terms of what information the consular official needs to make the decision. Remember too that they have to make some notations as to why the visa was refused and this cannot be done unless some questions were asked of the applicant.
As far as the last poster goes,well, my advice, so to speak, is to tell the truth, not try to make up stories nor memorize answers and if granted the visa to use as it was designed for and according to what the applicant said....there is no 'magic' answer to this situation, there are no magic papers to be presented.
Those who have posted saying their parent (usually) has been denied numerous times have not included what transpired at the embassy each time...insofar as did their relative try to hide the presence of their adult children living in the US or try to conceal other information or change their proposed stay from six months to one week (a strategem that does not fool anyone)...there could be many reasons why those visas were denied - and a lot of it has to do with the fact that abuse of the visa privilege by other people from your country contributes to the reduction of trust by the consulars to the applicants....put yourself in their shoes for a moment....let's say you have found out that 10 of your last 20 approvals did not stay one month, but rather 12, and that they were working illegally or some had claimed to go for 'business meetings' which they never attended and instead they quit their jobs in their country (or maybe never had one) and entered the US to work, often by offers of employment by the very relatives that invited them.....well...how trusting would you be? How much weight would you give papers that were similar to the ones presented by those who stayed and worked without permission in the US? (likely zero)...That is one of the reasons that documents don't mean a heck of lot in this process...no document can force someone to leave the US or prevent them from working illegally in the US....if there were such a paper, every visa applicant would be waving it in the air when they arrived at the embassy to ask for the visa....:rolleyes:

[kloodin]

and to skidude...well, it is very plain you know nothing about the process nor our laws....sometimes the truth hurts.:p

[bcapra]

Hey people,

please stop this nonsense. This is a forum for people that are seeking advice, many of us frustrated enough by certain situations. Personally I believe that Kloodin does have experience. He prooved it in his answers. He really does "sound" like a consular officer.
I am asking the mods to not ban him by any means. And you people seeking advice, life is not pink in front of the consular window. I believe it is exactly how Kloodin describes it. So please, let's hear what he has to say.

Peace to all of you.

[ski_dude12]

Stop licking Kloodint's nutz bcapra, unless you two are buds in love. If he has "experience" then why does he not summarize it here.

[kloodin]

...and if you know so much about the entire process, why can't you answer even one simple question? Answer: you know nothing about the process, the laws nor the decision making aspects. You think you do, but as we have all seen so far, you cannot answer the most basic questions. Too bad you didn't graduate from high school.:)

[bcapra]

Oh my ski_dude12 you must not be older than 12 by the childish repalys you post. Please ,you are just a bump in everyones way with you posts. Please find another forum and have your fun there.
Bye bye.

[quark4]

sorry, but I don't believe your mother was asked one and only one question. That is not possible. No doubt there were other questions that were conveniently forgotten by her and she is making up this version to cast aspersions on the consular folks.

Hey kloodin,

I have been inside a US embassy only once. During that one visit I saw
two applicants getting rejected after only one question. (Don't know what
the question was, but I saw both applicants opening their
mouth only once. Then they were ushered toward the door.)

So there. I have disproved your theory.

[kloodin]

you have not disproved anything....were you standing directly next to said applicants and listened to everything that was said and asked? (no)...your version of the so-called events is ludicrous. It doesn't happen.

[sanac]

I have replied to Kloodin's post, but looks like he has the moderators in his pocket. My replies just don't show up. I have better things to do than follow this megalomaniac's boasts. Thanks for everyone else who helped.

[kloodin]

I rest my case. :D